BSL-40 Janet Palmer, Lead Specialist Teacher for the Sensory Impairment Teams, Cardiff Education Inclusion Service

Senedd Cymru | Welsh Parliament

Bil Aelod Arfaethedig – Mark Isherwood AS | Proposed Member Bill - Mark Isherwood MS

Datblygu'r Bil Iaith Arwyddion Prydain (BSL) (Cymru) | Development of the British Sign Language (BSL) (Wales) Bill

Ymateb gan: Janet Palmer, Athro Arbenigol arweiniol ar gyfer Amhariad Synhwyraidd Tîm Gwasanaeth Cynhwysiant Addysg Caerdydd | Evidence from: Janet Palmer, Lead Specialist Teacher for the Sensory Impairment Teams, Cardiff Education Inclusion Service

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The need for legislation

The British Sign Language Act 2022 requires the UK Government to issue guidance about the promotion and facilitation of the use of British Sign Language (BSL). This however only applies in England and not to the Welsh Government or public bodies in Wales such as councils or the NHS.  The British Sign Language (BSL) (Wales) Bill aims to place equivalent specific duties on the Welsh Government and public bodies in Wales.

Question 1: Do you think there is a need for this legislation? Please provide reasons for your answer.

To promote the use of BSL in homes, schools and communities to ensure CYP can engage and make choices and reduce the effects of isolation.

Also to promote BSL as a language that all can engage in regardless of hearing needs.

Question 2: Do you agree or disagree with the goals that the Bill seeks to achieve? Please provide reasons for your answer.

agree. To remove barriers and ensure there is no unfair treatment.

British Sign Language

Question 3: Do you agree that the Bill should include proposals to promote and facilitate the use of BSL and its tactile forms?

Yes

Question 4: Do you agree that the Bill should support the various Welsh regional dialects of BSL?

No

Question 5: Do you think that the term ‘BSL users’ should be replaced with ‘BSL signers’, recognising that BSL is a language which includes both deaf and hearing signers? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes.

To include more people and promote inclusivity.

Question 6: Do you think that the term ‘deaf BSL signers’ can be used when referring to BSL users/signers who are medically or audiologically deaf?  Please provide reasons for your answer.

Don't know.

I feel the individual should make the choice of how they wish to be labelled.

Deaf Communities

Question 7: Do you agree or disagree that deaf communities:

a) currently have a voice in the design and delivery of the public services that they use? Please tick the answer that most applies and provide any comments.

Neither agree or disagree.

There needs to be a stronger voice in Wales.

b) should have a formalised voice in the design and delivery of the public services that they use, especially ones targeted at deaf people. Please tick the answer that most applies and provide any comments.

Agree.

as above.

Question 8: Are there any specific communication methods used by deaf people that you would like the Bill to reference/include?

to include Welsh with Sign or English with Sign.

Barriers that exist for deaf people

Question 9: What do you believe are the main barriers that currently exist for deaf people and/or their families in the following areas. Please tick all that apply and provide information/examples on each area:

Education; Health; Social Care; Transport; Other Public Services used by deaf people and their families; Workplace; local clubs and community activities.

It is not just in education but greater awareness needs to be raised so Deaf people can join in local sports or clubs.

Establishing a BSL Commissioner for Wales

The Bill proposes to establish a BSL Commissioner who would promote and facilitate the use of BSL, and would have the same powers as other minority language Commissioners such as in the Welsh Language (Wales) Measure 2011.

Question 10: Do you agree or disagree with the proposal to establish a BSL Commissioner for Wales, and, do you have any different suggestions or alternatives? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes

Question 11: The proposed remit of the Commissioner would be to:

§    formulate BSL standards;

§    establish a BSL Advisory Panel;

§    produce reports every 5 years in BSL, Welsh and English on the position of BSL in that period;

§    provide guidance and a process for public bodies to promote and facilitate BSL in their respective domains;

§    establish a procedure for the investigation of complaints.

Do you agree with the proposed remit of the Commissioner, and are there any other provisions you would like to include in the Commissioner’s remit? Please provide reasons for your answer.

This would provide a stronger voice on committees and raise hte profile.

Question 12: Do you agree that the BSL Commissioner and the BSL Advisory Panel members should be fluent users/signers?

Yes

Question 13: Do you think that the proposed BSL Commissioner and Advisory Panel should prioritise the following. Please tick all that apply and provide reasons for your answer.

Enabling deaf users/signers to lead the development of policies and implementation of services for BSL users/signers; Early years language support for deaf children and their families; Improving BSL provision in education; Access to interpreters in public services.

Families should be aware of the choices and make informed decisions about communication. There is not enough access to BSL classes within communities. These need to be free at point of access and support provided for non English or Welsh speakers e.g Arabic.

Question 14: Do you agree or disagree with the proposal to place a duty on the Welsh Government to prepare and publish an annual BSL report? Please provide reasons for your answer.

Yes.

It needs to be central in order to collect all the information as too moany are isolated.

Question 15: Are there any other issues that you would like to raise about the Bill and the accompanying Explanatory Memorandum?

none